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Brexit

Postby Nachos » Fri Jun 24, 11:34 2016

I just can't even anymore, people. The world is full of idiots and xenophobic bigots. I am so sad and angry right now.
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Re: Brexit

Postby Bork » Fri Jun 24, 12:51 2016

I am woefully out of touch with what this means for the EU/UK/Britain, because I sort of decided not to really pay attention since I didn't actually think the yes vote would win. But then it did and now the market is going crazy and currency is dropping and this seems pretty not good.
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Re: Brexit

Postby monk » Fri Jun 24, 13:50 2016

The way I read it is that the same ignorant xenophobic bigots that allowed Trump to be our Republican candidate for President have cousins in the UK who also don't get it. The older rural voters who are afraid of the "city folk" and their multiculturalisms are a serious force to be reckoned with when the young enlighted urbanite is too busy with life to go to the polls.

I've read some stuff in post voting interview that some people voted for Brexit out of protest thinking there's no way it could happen...I wonder how much of that made the vote a 52% win?

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Re: Brexit

Postby Tweek » Sat Jun 25, 3:35 2016

A referendum is held; one side wins with a majority of over a million and those on the losing side insult those on the winning side suggesting they are stupid, racist, small minded or failing in some other way. I can understand people being upset that their view didn't prevail but that isn't a reason to start insulting people.

We have a result and now have to make things work. The world will not end, countries will continue to trade with each other and we won't suddenly become Europe's answer to North Korea.
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Re: Brexit

Postby monk » Sat Jun 25, 8:42 2016

You're right Tweek, being an American I don't know from an on the ground perspective who the people are who voted for Brexit. I'm sure they're not all ignorant, or bigots, or both. But the Americans that are voting for Trump here in the U.S. ARE ignorant, or bigots, or both and I say that with some amount of certainty for the many of them.

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Re: Brexit

Postby Aum » Sun Jun 26, 1:54 2016

If I was there, I would've voted to split based on erosion of sovereignty, and not because of immigrants. It has always been understood that if you join a regionality, you must sacrifice some sovereignty, but Brussels keeps upping the ante. I would not want to live in a country where a democratic people could be overridden by a foreign political institution. No thank you.

Globalization is trashing this planet and causing great social inequity. I'm glad to see it scaled back. Everyone is crying about their careers and travel opportunities. Nobody cares about the poor who are impacted by supranational organizations and the wealthy elite.

The is the first time ever that I have seen democracy punch the establishment right in the gut. I jumped for joy when I read today that some of the world's wealthiest are now out $120 billion.

Britain will suffer short term. Long-term it will be better off. We need to return to being more local, not more global. The real issues have nothing to do with xenophobia. The neo-liberal controlled media are spinning stories about racism like crazy, but nobody wants to talk about sovereignty issues. I hope I never live to see a one-world government, and now the UK vote has helped me to rest a little. Hopefully Germany follows suit in the coming years.
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Re: Brexit

Postby Sonic# » Sun Jun 26, 5:30 2016

I don't get the "local, not global" argument. People vote for their representatives in the EU legislature. Where does locality stop? At the level of the state? The county? The town? The downside of that relentless locality is that there's nothing to step in to prevent a Flint, MI water crisis, and the costs of trade have to be reproduced in every locale.

And I don't understand how the poor benefit from either a separate UK or a UK in the EU. Is the Conservative-led government vying to help local towns if only the EU would let them? No. Would a Labour government in the EU be far less effective than a Labour government out of the EU? I don't know, but I don't see why that's the case. Would Farage and his party? I can see the connection between the Brexit vote and people's generalized grievances with globalization, immigration, and even specific issues like NHS reform. I don't see how it will help.

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Re: Brexit

Postby Aum » Sun Jun 26, 14:16 2016

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Re: Brexit

Postby Sonic# » Mon Jun 27, 7:48 2016

There is containment. It stops at the EU's borders - an EU where the people of the UK have representation.

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Re: Brexit

Postby melsbells » Mon Jun 27, 15:09 2016

My instinct was to be excited about the outcome of the Brexit vote, because I overall dislike the EU, despite awesome things like convenience of not exchanging currency and not being allowed to join if your country has the death penalty or some other human rights violations. I was surprised when I first heard about the referendum, since the UK has extra allowances as a founding member (sucha as being allowed to keep the £) and built in border security as an island. I had assumed the vote came from the ecomonic crisis and was unaware of the xenophobic propaganda attached to the leave campaign. I now have a hard time believing that "xenophobic bigots" didn't play a part in the referrendum passing, but I'm still inclined to think the outcome is the preferred one. I'm interested to see what follows with other countries. Finland has strong anti-EU support that has been going on long before the migrant crisis in Europe (really they voted to join the EU by small margins).

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Re: Brexit

Postby Aum » Mon Jun 27, 16:54 2016

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Re: Brexit

Postby Nachos » Sun Jul 3, 11:06 2016

What worries me is now what will happen to EU people in the UK, and UK people in the EU. There is no plan, though there are some terrifying rumours. This has a personal effect on my family, my loved ones, and I.

What breaks my heart is the hate and violence now on the streets. This is not my England.
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