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Terrorist attack in Berlin

Postby Nachos » Mon Dec 19, 18:06 2016

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38373867

This is literally three streets from where I live. Thank god none of my family or friends were injured but my goodness. Fuck terrorists. All they want to do is harm and provoke and for fucks sake, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was also shot today??? Fuck this world.

People, I can't anymore. Why does this shit keep happening?
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Postby octarineoboe » Mon Dec 19, 20:30 2016

I'm glad you and those you love are OK.

I don't know what's going on or why anymore. I feel like we're living in fear, and that means the terrorists have won. I wish there was something more I could do or say, but I've been feeling pretty hopeless since the US election. This just deepens that feeling.

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Postby Bork » Mon Dec 19, 21:20 2016

Very relieved to hear that you're okay.

What I hate most about this is that news like this doesn't even faze me at this point. Like, freaking of course there's been another terrorist attack somewhere because apparently that's just the world that we live in today.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Berlin

Postby iamthegate » Tue Dec 20, 1:23 2016

I don't know how to respond anymore. I'm not afraid, as in, I'm not going to change the things I do. But fuck... It's so close. (I live in the Netherlands)

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Re: Terrorist attack in Berlin

Postby rowan » Tue Dec 20, 9:56 2016

You posting yesterday was how I first heard about it. :( I'm glad you're all right, but the whole world is burning and IDEK anymore. I mean, we (humanity as a whole) just can't seem to get our shit together.

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Postby Tweek » Tue Dec 20, 12:40 2016

I'm glad that you and those close to you weren't harmed.

It is depressing how such things keep happening.
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Postby rinn » Tue Dec 20, 16:19 2016

I'm so sorry for that happening so close to your home, but I'm glad you and family are okay.

this kind of news doesn't seem to faze me now either. I just feel so helpless and wish there was more that I could do. it's like watching dominoes fall.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Berlin

Postby SpicyX » Sat Jan 14, 16:38 2017

I don't think it's a coincidence that the increase in Jihadist-motivated terrorist attacks in Europe coincides with the massive influx of Muslim populations over the past decade. Some perpetrators are first generation immigrants, others have been in Europe longer, but the ideologies are the same. Again, these people are coming from a part of the world with elements that are openly anti-Western, with the very explicit goal of bringing Jihad against the West.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/def ... t_2016.pdf

In 2015, 1077 individuals were arrested for terrorism-related offences, over 774 in 2014 and 535 in 2013. Similarly, actual attacks have jumped 40% since 2013.

If the question is why this keeps happening, then the answer is: Because they're being let in.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Berlin

Postby Aum » Sat Jan 14, 22:16 2017

Was it actually confirmed that the Christmas attack was terrorism? The article said that the German government isn't ruling it an act of terrorism.

SpicyX... the U.S., supported by NATO and Germany, are currently bombing 7 middle eastern countries. Syria has been obliterated, their civilization is completely destroyed. Literally. Have you seen any pictures of Syria lately? There is nothing left. U.S. and EU foreign policy created ISIS. Calling them terrorists and radicals is incredibly obtuse. They are soldiers coming to attack us on our home soil as part of the ongoing wars we are waging.

The influx of immigration is our own doing, compounded by the jidahists who are taking advantage of the opportunity. You're talking as if xenophobia and hatred of the west are inborn cultural traits of the immigrants, when in fact the minority of radicals have become that way through our own western foreign policy.

I wish people would wake up and stop blaming Islam. It's so obtuse. Read a damn history book.
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Postby SpicyX » Sat Feb 4, 14:22 2017

Something you have to understand about statistics is that it's easy to bury significant changes in a population by overwhelming them with numbers from other populations. For example, you might try to distract from the radical increase in Jihadist terrorism committed by Muslim immigrants by citing a study that shows no significant increase in overall crime. The problem with doing this is that it obfuscates the very serious threat posed by Islamic Jihadists that go on murderous rampages against European citizens.

And yes, it's their ideology and system of values that drives them to commit acts of terrorism in the name of their ideology. This is tautological.

Israel has a very good program that serves as an example of good vetting and background checking. Essentially, you must demonstrate a history without criminal behavior, terrorist associations, etc. behavior. European nations should be vetting anyone attempting to enter the nation as an immigrant. They aren't. This is why so many terrorists are getting into Europe.
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If the complaint is that "Europe can't vet its immigrants because there are so many people flooding in," perhaps the answer should be to block the borders until they can let them in. It is a valid role of government to protect its citizens from invading criminals and terrorists.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Berlin

Postby rowan » Sat Feb 4, 14:45 2017

SpicyX, something you don't seem to understand about statistics is you need to apply them to the population you are interested in -- in this case refugees accepted into the U.S. If you do that the incidence is extremely low: Zero.

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Postby Sonic# » Sat Feb 4, 14:54 2017

Indeed, it's easy to bury significant statistical trends by appealing to superficial comparisons rather than carefully studying whether there actually is an increase in crime and, if so, where it might come from. You did this by pointing to a few numbers that increased from year to year, and then alleging that the increase was due to increased immigration. The problem with your approach is that you're assuming your premise: that "Islamic Jihadists" make up a significant enough number of immigrants that immigration is the only possible cause of these attacks and banning immigration is the only possible solution. That denies certain facts on the ground (that current refugee camps already constitute a humanitarian crisis; that non-immigrants also commit terrorist acts; that very few immigrants do commit terrorist acts) as well as solutions that work better when we acknowledge those facts. For instance, I'm not opposed to vetting efforts per se, but I think doing so without expanding other humanitarian efforts treats immigrants as a spigot of water rather than a group of people who need help. And conflating terrorism and immigration risks lapses of security, since most people involved in terrorist attacks have not been immigrants: most of the attackers in the November 2015 Paris attack were French or Belgian citizens unrelated to the more recent influxes of immigrants.

Then there's the selectivity of focusing on Islamist terrorism as a threat, when more people die from all kinds of other threats. What of right-wing terrorists like the last week? What of general murder rates by citizens, which per capita far outweigh the risk from terrorist attacks?

Regarding your explanation of "ideology," what you've said doesn't dispute what Nachos and I have pointed out: that ideologies don't form in vacuums. External influences shape how ideologies come about and evolve.

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