What is the alternative to patriachy?

[propatriachy]

I've heard it bashed a lot by feminists but I've yet to see a better alternative, if there was I'd take an interest but I just haven't seen anything out there.

[Aum]

The alternative is a world where men and women rule equally, and everyone has equal opportunity at birth regardless of what genitals they were born with.

[propatriachy]

Who would lead then?

[Snarky]

However is most qualified?

[lykin005]

However is most qualified?

+1'd Seriously I would much rather someone run things well than just be a man and run things wrong.

[androkguz]

Who would lead then?

In all fairness, there are way too many schools of thought that give a diferent answer to said question, including "no one", "everyone", "the most qualified" and "the most popular". But as long as the answer is something that doesn't care what genitals the leaders have, I think it would be an alternative to patriachy.

[Amuro]

Wouldn't really say a world where men and women are equal more like a nation what ever nation your from. Sorry but not much can be done about acid attacks on women in Afghanistan, the rampant raping and lawlessness in the DRC, or the amount of women that are abused by their spouses in other countries. Sorry but nothing can really be done about it. Now some thing can be done about the problems women have in what ever country you are from. But if it's another nation well it's my or your business.

[Aum]

^ Feminism is a global movement even if some of the values have been modified according to regionality. For instance, in China feminism is about re-asserting the separation of genders, and letting women express gender-based individuality. This is in reaction to the communist era where equality was forced upon the sexes, regardless of some biological differences. Regard to women's menstruation was not taking into account, and pregnant women were sent to work on construction sites, etc. But it's still a form of feminism because within China they are reacting to forced roles - although they were forced into a single role based on neutralization.

I say this to demonstrate that even if feminism has different priorities around the world, it still represents the same goal globally, which is that of a fair balance between genders.

[Amuro]

What goes on in China is China's business not the US, EU, Japan or any one else's business.

[rowan]

That doesn't make it not feminism. You're kind of missing Aum's point. A lot. Note he did not say that WE are trying to make them do this. THEY are doing it for themselves.

[propatriachy]

However is most qualified?

And what about in a family?

[rowan]

In a family, it's pretty easy for both people to participate equally. There has to be give and take on both sides or nothing ever quite gets done. Most families require two salaries to "get by" these days. No one has to "lead" or "follow" in a family. Joint decisions for the good of the family are quite possible.

Of course if the two (or more) people running the household consent to one "leading" that's fine but you don't need that at all.

[propatriachy]

In a family, it's pretty easy for both people to participate equally. There has to be give and take on both sides or nothing ever quite gets done. Most families require two salaries to "get by" these days. No one has to "lead" or "follow" in a family. Joint decisions for the good of the family are quite possible.

Of course if the two (or more) people running the household consent to one "leading" that's fine but you don't need that at all.

There's no family in the world where everybody is equal, yes everybody can be treated well but it's either a patriachy or matriarchy there's nothing else, some people who are at the top of the hierarchy abuse that privilege and some don't, but there's always a leader, there's nothing to suggest matriarchy is any better.

[rowan]

Bullshit. We do not have a leader in our household. It's called making joint decisions. Like adults.

[Mathmo]

Bullshit. We do not have a leader in our household. It's called making joint decisions. Like adults.

Seconded.

[propatriachy]

There will always be a leader, even if it's only 51/49' no relationship in the world doesn't have a leader.

[lillerina]

No, this thread is dead.