Neko wrote:I'll admit it, I do get a bit giddy with wicked delight whenever I hold a door for someone and it clearly makes them uncomfortable. Typically older men, but also with some of my male friends who grew up so strictly programmed in benevolent sexism. The look on their face and awkward body language is just so damn amusing to me.
Aum wrote:I have a question... is it wrong to knowingly use one's privilege? For instance, I've known women who are feminist and pro equality, but in moments of desperation they have played the chivalry card to get men to feel sympathetic and help them. Is this wrong?
Likewise, is it also wrong for a man to use his privilege to affect change to the patriarchy?
Or should we be relentlessly and unabashedly pro-equality first?
Aum wrote:In the absence of chivalrous values, the fact that rape culture could take more control over conveying misogynist values does maybe hold some weight. If that's the case though, wouldn't it mean that chivalry is just *relatively* better than rape culture, but does not necessarily hold strong value on its own?
androkguz wrote:"Why won't you be chivalrous with me?" "Because it is sexist" "So?" "Sexism is bad. Women suffer a lot from it" "So your solution is to avoid treating women better?" "Well, I... ehh... here! I opened the door for you"
octarineoboe wrote:The idea that the powerful should exercise some kind of discipline is, I think, a good one - how would it look in an more gender-equal world?
androkguz wrote:Anyway, my exgirlfriend used to be very much into gender equality even thought she had never read about feminism. She loved to open the door for me* and pay whenever she could. And it did made me very uncomfortable because everytime I didn't open the door for her around any of my parents or told them she paid I would get criticized for being rude and "that's not how we raised you", so I would often end up begging her to let me do those stuff just so the voice in my head would shut up.
Eravial wrote:octarineoboe wrote:The idea that the powerful should exercise some kind of discipline is, I think, a good one - how would it look in an more gender-equal world?
Probably the rich, instead of disparaging and ridiculing the poor, would respect them as human beings who simply have less power in society, and thus should be considered and protected from extreme poverty. Shame that capitalist pride will probably never allow this to happen.
Eravial wrote:As he puts it, his (very independent, very badass) momma would kick his ass if he didn't open doors for me. It bothered me a bit at first, but after I got more comfortable with him and the fact that he wasn't doing it because he thinks I'm weaker, I just let him have his mild chivalry.
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