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Is there such a thing as bad art?

Hell yes.
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Hell no.
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I used to think no, but some of these things...
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Only recently has true art emerged; that old stuff is crap.
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I care not for art.
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Bad Art

Postby DudeMan101 » Tue Nov 4, 9:20 2008

As far as I'm concerned, not all art is good. However, it has recently become extreemly unfashinable to say so. And so, whatever peice of BS some "artist" hard-pressed for cash, or just greedy, is able to be passed off as a work of creative genius. Furthermore, those who accualy create this stuff often have little regard for the classic masters (I know this to be true, as I know several such people), whom regard some of it as not being true art at all, just a elaborate show of skill at creating photo or almost photorealistic images. They ask, "Where is the art in simply taking something from real life and putting it on canvas? You can achive the same thing by taking a picture and blowing it up!"

But can you? Is it art when someone takes a shovel, signs it and submits it to the powers that be? Perhaps as a statement against the established art world, maybe, but is it in it's own right art? If it is, I would certainly say that the credit goes wholy to they who designed the shovel.

There are those whos artistic intent was also questioned at one time. The Cubists, the Expresionalists, and so on. However, to create these works, as they did, takes skill and practice. The fact that they put forth the considerable effort required to develop these techniques, as well as to create their numerous works, shows that they certainly belived in their craft, and it is all, in its own right, good art. However, it is very difficult to take seriously the claims of "artists" that their work is art, when it takes little if any serious effort and dedication to create them. They claim to have thought about it extensivly, dedicated their souls, and so on, but humans have often made claims to get money and attention, and when it getse to the acual creation, they might as well have not thought about it much at all, and easily made a similar work.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby monk » Tue Nov 4, 12:04 2008

capturing something of realife and putting it on canvas is art, just as taking a photo and blowing it up is also art. The idea is what is captured and why, and how/what it evokes in the viewer.

There is good art and bad art. bad art is what I consider art and I don't like,

what is considered art is up for debate and will continue to be that way as it should be. One true test of art is if the debate stands the test of time, because art at the minimalist criterion has to make an impact on people of some sort and continued debate is a definate sign of impact.

This is not to be confused with doing activities in an artistic fashion and calling it art, (like say killing people with slurpee straws).
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Re: Bad Art

Postby cwbyrvr » Tue Nov 4, 13:11 2008

'Course there is. Just take a look at anything I've ever made. Though I wouldn't dare to even call it art.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby ArtificialAmore » Tue Nov 4, 14:22 2008

Blech, of course there is. I used to think all art had merit in some way until I started hearing about toilet seats glued to walls. I'm sorry but that's just LAZY and pretentious. Not everything people call art, is "art".
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Re: Bad Art

Postby Enigma » Tue Nov 4, 17:59 2008

I'm an art student and let me tell you there is bad art. lol. There have been times when someone has presented art for grading that's so bad that no one will critique it because they don't want to be mean.

There's also bad art in gallerys in my opinion.. but I wouldn't necessarily say that all the stuff some people say is bad is. For example, that elephant stuff is better then some things I've seen produced in art classes. And duchamp's urinal did break historic ground. But now you'd better have a pretty good reason for toilet seats on walls or whatever, because you aren't breaking down barriers you're just doing shock art.

Also I think Damian Hirst is seriously overrated.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby crystalized_time » Tue Nov 4, 18:59 2008

[quote="Enigma"]I'm an art student and let me tell you there is bad art. lol. There have been times when someone has presented art for grading that's so bad that no one will critique it because they don't want to be mean.

There's also bad art in gallerys in my opinion.. but I wouldn't necessarily say that all the stuff some people say is bad is. For example, that elephant stuff is better then some things I've seen produced in art classes. And duchamp's urinal did break historic ground. But now you'd better have a pretty good reason for toilet seats on walls or whatever, because you aren't breaking down barriers you're just doing shock art.

Also I think Damian Hirst is seriously overrated.[/quote]

I too am in art school, and I've some pretty sorry assignments I had to try to call BS on as tactfully as I could. And I've only been here for two months. There are boundaries.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby Kirby » Wed Nov 5, 2:50 2008

Last year on camp, we travelled all the way out to Canberra (14 hour bus ride...fuuuuun), and one of the things we did was go to the National Art Gallery of Australia. Now, I'm all for arty stuff, etc. But I'm sorry, THREE FUCKING BLOCKS OF COLOUR ON A BLACK CANVAS IS NOT ART. Seriously. Black background. Big coloured square. Smaller coloured square. Smaller coloured square. Don't fucking tell me that it's 'art' or whatever. I actually couldn't believe that people got paid for that kind of stuff.

That said, one of my girls from my school was putting up her yr 12 art thing, and I was walking past, and I really liked it. It was the glass blowing stuff, but she'd engraved music staves + notes on them, and put on music in the background. I thought it was really pretty. I want a photo of it. And I like really good photography, too.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby Dalal Hecate » Sat Mar 26, 3:49 2011

There is no such thing as 'bad' art. It all depends on what we as individuals view as art. For example, one might abhor the illustrious ‘The Last Supper’ by Leonardo Da Vinci whilst others may worship it. It all depends on people’s predilections and what we as individuals identify as ‘art’.

Recently, I went to an art gallery and one of the sculptures was merely a pile of black and red plaid picnic blankets stacked on top of one another with a huge, rectangular mass of concrete positioned on top of the right side of the blankets. And although that does not ‘seem’ like art, its significance and what the artwork was meant to represent was beautiful, deep and meaningful.

The red and black plaid blankets represented Australia's land before it was forcibly taken and inhabited by the Europeans (the English) and the rectangular concrete boulder represented the Europeans invasion of Australia. Art does not need to be a pretty painted picture like ‘Lilith’ by John Collier or a complicated sculpture like ‘Vine’ by Bronwyn Oliver; it can be a photograph of a tree from your backyard taken by a camera you received from your father for your 14th birthday.

I should know, I won $3,000 and an award of recognition for my photography of trash, supermarket trolleys and wooden graffiti covered fences.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby astrakhan » Fri Jul 13, 11:43 2012

I think all art can be good as long as the artist is passionate about it, or the work has a message behind it, or it is aesthetically pleasing or interesting in some way, or they put some goddamn time and effort into making it.

I mostly dislike commercial, fabricated art, which is produced and often designed by hundreds of people who don't get any credit or money for the work while one person profits by attaching their image to the pieces.

I'm talking about "artists" like Jeff Koons, Damien Hirst and, yes, Andy Warhol.
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Re: Bad Art

Postby Aum » Fri Jul 13, 17:29 2012

The question wasn't whether or not some works are art or not, but whether art can be bad.

Art can definitely be bad. Look at a lot of post-modern art :P
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Re: Bad Art

Postby Cybele » Fri Nov 9, 23:11 2012

I would say that anything beautiful is art. Sometime's it's physical beauty, sometimes it's a beautiful idea behind a work of art. However, I definitely believe that some art is better than others-- and the best art has a balance between the physical execution and the concept.
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