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Vasalgel

Postby Nachos » Tue Feb 7, 1:27 2017

Exciting news on male birth control! Studies are underway!

Male contraceptive gel passes monkey test
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38879224

This is very exciting for so many reasons. No longer does the onus for long term birth control fall on the female partners and men can have reliable long term contraception that is reversible. Yay!
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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Nech » Tue Feb 7, 7:48 2017

Awesome :D
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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Taurwen » Tue Feb 7, 13:22 2017

Woo!

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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Bork » Tue Feb 7, 23:08 2017

Those are super promising monkey trials. I would, however, really like to see a much more easily accessed method for male birth control. Both this and a vasectomy have to be done under anesthetic, so it's not like this could be helpful in the moment (like a condom is, for example). I really don't see what the advantage is to this versus a vasectomy, and frankly that kind of bothers me because I think we need to be coming up with better alternatives not ones that are on par. It seems like the main benefit to this is that it'll be easy to reverse, but vasectomies are already reversible, and I really don't think that's the problem we should be focusing on at this point. To me, reversbility seems like a pretty extraneous benefit, and one that we should only focus on once we've solved the main other problems.
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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Taurwen » Wed Feb 8, 16:21 2017

I would consider reversibility pretty important. I wouldn't use anything that had a high chance of ruining my fertility for three months after stopping, let alone permanently. The reason most guys I know give for not having a vasectomy is that it's not really that reversible.

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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Nachos » Wed Feb 8, 19:43 2017

I believe something like this would be mainly used in long term partnerships where children are not currently wanted but reversibility is important because children are wanted eventually. Something to replace having the ovary bearing partner be on hormonal birth control for years at a time. I think this is also important because hormonal birth control can not only affect the person taking it but also the environment.

Vasectomies are not meant to be reversible. That they sometimes are is not something to be counted on.
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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Aum » Thu Feb 9, 3:53 2017

Vasectomies are not a cake walk and some people have complications from them. A lot of them are not reversible despite claims to the contrary. It depends on the level of scarring. Also, not all vasectomies are effective either!

So far the male contraceptive methods they're experimenting with do not seem promising. Female contraception is so much simpler by comparison because women have a monthly cycle that is hormonally regulated. Men have no such cycle so the interventions are always going to be unnatural and more radical. I would not trust this gel... the procedure is downright invasive.
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Re: Vasalgel

Postby DarkOne » Thu Feb 9, 7:58 2017

Aum wrote: So far the male contraceptive methods they're experimenting with do not seem promising. Female contraception is so much simpler by comparison because women have a monthly cycle that is hormonally regulated. Men have no such cycle so the interventions are always going to be unnatural and more radical. I would not trust this gel... the procedure is downright invasive.

Not sure I follow the logic here. From what I glimpsed in the article and another male-contraception-for-dummies article, the gel plug procedure is comparably as invasive as a copper IUD or permanent diaphragm (if that was a thing), and much less invasive than a hormonal IUD, contraceptive implant or shots, because there is no messing about with hormones... And it does not follow from women having cycle-driven fertility that female contraception "so much simpler". The only thing that makes the issue easier in women is that you're usually trying to deal with 1 egg/month instead millions of sperm. BUT that's irrelevant since the answer for both male and female contraception is similarly "unnatural and radical": mess with the hormones. The fact that female hormonal contraception has been studied, accepted and implemented for far longer makes it better understood, not simpler, and certainly not more natural.
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Re: Vasalgel

Postby Sonic# » Fri Feb 10, 13:56 2017

I admit that vasectomies and Vasalgel make me feel squeamish. But what DarkOne's saying about IUDs, implants, and hormones also makes a lot of sense - most of the contraceptive strategies for women are at least as invasive. Perhaps many people also feel squeamish about those options; yet I'd guess that women experience more encouragement or pressure to undergo them than men. If I can accept and benefit from the widespread array of contraceptives women receive, it seems fair that I also accept some of that risk, that I get a ball or two in the game. Once my partner and I have a kid or two, I'll have to seriously look into it.

I've used condoms for my entire adult life. It's kind of cool to imagine what options my kids will have, or even what I'll have in 10 years.


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