Feminism's negative impact on male existence.

[Axiomatic]

IT AM SCIENCE BOOK FACT

[Amuro]

If you want people to listen you shouldn't generalize so much. It's best to treat people based on how they are as an individual. Yeah some men and women are assholes, some people are manipulative some more than others also children are manipulative also. You know why because humans are flawed some men and women are going to assault their spouses, some people will cheat on their spouses, some people use the opposite or same sex for money and sex. But you were right on soem things like most women for the tall guy but that doesn't mean they will get them. Most men go for the Beyonce's and Taylor Swift's but they certainly will not be getting those type's of women. I think one of the biggest with some people in relationships is that their selfish men and women. Some people aren't willing give more than they can take when it should an equal amount of time and effort put into a relationship. Does radical feminism hurt some men but not all but so do misogynistic attitude's hurt some women. The most you can do is not let hateful people get the best of you. You have to better than them that's what people said in the civil rights movement. You can't change people but maybe you can influence them people can only change through the experience's they've been through.

[lykin005]

There is no need to ask people to put their emotions aside, and asking ladies in particular to do so implies that women have more trouble containing their emotions than men do. This is simply not the case, and supports the patriarchal fallacy that women are inherently less rational and more emotional than men. I find it fascinating that you think you can tell us truths we don't want to hear when you have not yet thought your way past this fallacious viewpoint.

1)I find your argument to be heteronormative (not every woman is even interested in men) and biologically deterministic. Why would women be less likely than men to be able to control hypergamous instincts? What about the women who are forced to choose between having children and attaining a high status for themselves? Where do they fit into your narrow view of womanhood?

2) “Patriarchy shores up its own position of power by developing a whole series of characteristics which it labels ‘feminine’ – characteristics such as sweetness, subservience, irrationality – and it the elides any distinction between these culturally derived characteristics and the female body. Patriarchy argues that if you are born a woman, if you have a female body, you will necessarily and naturally exhibit these characteristics. Not to exhibit them (in case anyone would dare), is to risk being labelled monstrous, unnatural, anti-social, deviant, mad.” Ruth Robbins, Literary Feminisms (Basingstoke: Palgrave,2000), p. 169.

3) There are more than just two sexes or genders. I find your biological determinism to be incorrect. Please explain which things you think that men can do and women cannot, because I frankly cannot think of anything that one sex or gender can do that is prohibited to any other sex or gender.

Feminism recognises the ways in which men are hurt by patriarchy. Tearing down patriarchy means freedom for everyone. Feminists are not saying that men are not injured by patriarchy and gender roles.

1. Men aren't hypergamous like females. Guys demand healthy looking females which is easy if more women went to the gym. It's our nature to impregnate as many healthy females as possible. Female hypergamy is VERY dangerous if not controlled. Men want health, but many women demand too much high status from men and end up only dating the 20% high status males. Women aren't forced between kids or status. Nobody is pointing a gun at women.

2. Patriarchy also gave women and easier life. The good men out there would protect and give you the world as long as you played your role. Without roles women are blindly doing things she can't mentally or biologically handle. Without male gender roles society wouldn't have existed today. This is why I say we men are the ones who suffer the most when we seek freedom because society needs us to be slaves.

3. I'll list them below.
-Men are better designed protectors. Having jobs such as in the military, police, and firemen. All women who are in these fields took easier tests. Their body is much much more weaker and they can't save a 200 pound man. On top of that thugs don't fear females in these jobs. A man with a gun isn't scared of a 5'4 120 pound female cop.
-Science and Math: The reason it's mostly a male dominated area is because men are logical rational beings. It's why male cave men were the calculated hunters the survivors. Men by nature logically think our everything.
-How men think is just completely different. All the technology in the world came from men because they are natural thinkers. Men have a depth to thinking where as most women don't because cave women never needed to think. Most women never needed to evolve to be deep thinkers. Instead evolution designed women to manipulate to get what they want.

As I said before. reality is cold and harsh.

In regards to point 1: I'ma have to call bullshit here. While I do find fit women attractive I also find curvy women attractive. Not only that but I view personality and values as more important physical appearance. The way I put it is like this. If a woman can accept me even with my flaws I can return the favor. Also the idea of me engaging in intercourse with more than one women in my lifetime sounds utterly offensive to me. I consider myself to be unisexual in that while I may be attracted to multiple women I have no actual interest in sex with them. I have yet to meet the women I do have an actual interest in.
In regards to point 2: It also made it really horrible and hard. There's such a thing as malevolent and benevolent sexism. As far as roles go. Sure we need providers and protectors and fighters and so on but men and women both are capable of these roles not to mention that these roles aren't mutually exclusive. I have aspects of "masculinity" and "femininity."
In regards to point 3: Again due to sexism these things persist. Also I'm a man, not just a man but physically speaking I'm very manly. I have tons of body hair (and an epic beard if I may say.) a naturally strong physique, and a long ring finger. Yet I'm very emotional and passionate.

[lykin005]

I'll try my best to help you people understand my point of view. I'm viewing this debate from an instinctual level which dictates you and I are the same on a primal level but not on an advance level.

-Women: Most of them go for tall, fit or bulkier guys with a masculine alpha male traits. This is science book facts.

-Men: Most like feminine, gentle, healthy women because we are more visual. This is science book fact so you ladies can not debate me on this.

-Women show much less sympathy towards male issues because women are NOT designed to give love.
-Men shaped the world, our love is infinite like gods love.
-Most women reported only finding 30% of males on earth attractive. This showed that almost all women are very picky and shallow because their mating instinct is shallow only wanting the best males.
-Men were reported to find 90% of women attractive because we are more open minded and creative in picking mates.

My study shows me that women are very shallow and can not feel love as men do. Women do not care if the unbalance the world out of selfish need for more power. Most women don't love males that aren't in the fem-sphere or up to their shallow mating standards.

BTW men, the ladies here do not love you for women can not love. They LIKE that you are a male feminist because they view you as a tool/object, but girls will turn their back on you very fast if you don't agree with their extremism. Think for a sec men, just what have you as a male gained from feminism? The law is always on females said, TV is feminized, dating is harder for beta and Omega males. On top of that when you show females weakness they remember it so they can attack you in the future. Science proved women can not love nor feel sympathy for men that aren't blood related.

Also feminism doesn't even teach men how to get girls in this new female dominate country. Being a male feminist only damages you because it teaches you to be the nice beta male who agrees with all female issues instead of challenging them. feminist males aren't taught to be the Alpha who gets the girls. No, you are the beta that is a slave to a controlling feminist wife who is fat because she thinks being healthy is-like-letting-the-males win. You feminist men are at home with the kids wondering why your sex drive is down because you only get it once every 5 months.

Feminism has to change NOW!

I wont even argue your first point. I've found that to be common amongst woman as well. However I defy male stereotypes of what men are attracted to and so I believe that women are capable of it. (indeed anyone who chooses to do some reflection and introspection can.) I honestly am attracted to women who are "feminine, gentle and healthy" women. I am also attracted to many other types. So call NASA cuz I'm breaking science. I will also admit that I sometimes think women do have less sympathy toward men but to say they are incapable of giving love or that all women are like that is ridiculous. The next four points are contrary to what you've said before. I thought you said men were cold and logical? I thought you said men were only attracted to fit, young, healthy women? As for your final points, I am aware of my status here as a bit of a pariah, but I stay here because I want to learn and do what I can. I don't much care if I'm accepted or not at least in relation to whether or not I will be an ally. I've been shown the kyriarchy/bullshit and decided it's unfair and I dont want it around anymore so I do stuff about it and learn more so I don't do stuff which supports it or otherwise makes things worse. I would say you in the past have only pursued girls who while maybe "attractive" as you explained before are also shallow and supportive of kyriarchical standards. I don't agree with everything that people say here. I have extensively debated various issue's here, some I've reconsidered my stance on others I have remained steadfast on. Alpha males get the shallow, non supportive, non interesting, yet attractive girls. If in order to get a wife I will need to be a sexist dick, then the nihilism will consume me and I'll go nut's but that's another issue. I'm pretty sure several of the women here have explained that they excersise regularly and yet HOLY SHIT their feminist's too! It's nut's man, like... bananas. Also I have seen many "fat" women who I think are stunners. (Side note I don't like saying "real women" when referring to plus size women. It implies they aren't as frikkin gorgeous as the more petite women.) Take a look at this http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw3ty ... o1_500.jpg I mean by khorne! frikkin sit there and tell me she's not beautiful!

[Ama]

I would say we're more of equal opportunity offenders. People largely are selfish, and often are more interested in their own needs than those of a partner. You don't even have to be capable of rational thought to be able to see that in adult relationships people often use each other for their own benefits. I would generally err on the side of women being better about such things though, or having much better reasons for using people.

[kroniqua]

It never works out between me and high status men. They are usually very career focused, or just focused on themselves more than anything else. The notion that men are seeking status is equally as stereotypical as saying that those who seek men are seeking status-driven men.

I'm a man who dates men, and I can tell you that I never go for high rollers by virtue of their status alone. Some people actually prefer men who are, you know, compassionate, down to earth, and non-materialistic? Also, what's the deal with assuming that the man has to be the material caregiver?

Studies show that in the modern world, combined household incomes are usually needed for subsistence among the middle and lower classes. Given that, I think more and more men are preferring that their partner also earns money and has status, as opposed to being the sole breadwinner. I certainly would not want that kind of pressure! My own father was a stay at home dad and my mother had the status. This did not negatively affect me.

But then, your post is directed at "ladies", so I guess what I have to say is irrelevant anyway.

I agree, I donno what the big deal is with status men. Personally I'm the same. Though I AM goal driven myself. I think its different because i don't want status.

I think the OP is missing something, in his last point. Men and women are physically different, but mentally extremely similar. The only dividing line between men and women is CONFIDENCE and upbringing. Men are allowed to have confidence where women, honestly, are not and if you display the amount of confidence a man has there's "something wrong with you".

Who accomplishes and uses their brain to its maximum potential without confidence though?

[kroniqua]

There is no need to ask people to put their emotions aside, and asking ladies in particular to do so implies that women have more trouble containing their emotions than men do. This is simply not the case, and supports the patriarchal fallacy that women are inherently less rational and more emotional than men. I find it fascinating that you think you can tell us truths we don't want to hear when you have not yet thought your way past this fallacious viewpoint.

1)I find your argument to be heteronormative (not every woman is even interested in men) and biologically deterministic. Why would women be less likely than men to be able to control hypergamous instincts? What about the women who are forced to choose between having children and attaining a high status for themselves? Where do they fit into your narrow view of womanhood?

2) “Patriarchy shores up its own position of power by developing a whole series of characteristics which it labels ‘feminine’ – characteristics such as sweetness, subservience, irrationality – and it the elides any distinction between these culturally derived characteristics and the female body. Patriarchy argues that if you are born a woman, if you have a female body, you will necessarily and naturally exhibit these characteristics. Not to exhibit them (in case anyone would dare), is to risk being labelled monstrous, unnatural, anti-social, deviant, mad.” Ruth Robbins, Literary Feminisms (Basingstoke: Palgrave,2000), p. 169.

3) There are more than just two sexes or genders. I find your biological determinism to be incorrect. Please explain which things you think that men can do and women cannot, because I frankly cannot think of anything that one sex or gender can do that is prohibited to any other sex or gender.

Feminism recognises the ways in which men are hurt by patriarchy. Tearing down patriarchy means freedom for everyone. Feminists are not saying that men are not injured by patriarchy and gender roles.

1. Men aren't hypergamous like females. Guys demand healthy looking females which is easy if more women went to the gym. It's our nature to impregnate as many healthy females as possible. Female hypergamy is VERY dangerous if not controlled. Men want health, but many women demand too much high status from men and end up only dating the 20% high status males. Women aren't forced between kids or status. Nobody is pointing a gun at women.

2. Patriarchy also gave women and easier life. The good men out there would protect and give you the world as long as you played your role. Without roles women are blindly doing things she can't mentally or biologically handle. Without male gender roles society wouldn't have existed today. This is why I say we men are the ones who suffer the most when we seek freedom because society needs us to be slaves.

3. I'll list them below.
-Men are better designed protectors. Having jobs such as in the military, police, and firemen. All women who are in these fields took easier tests. Their body is much much more weaker and they can't save a 200 pound man. On top of that thugs don't fear females in these jobs. A man with a gun isn't scared of a 5'4 120 pound female cop.
-Science and Math: The reason it's mostly a male dominated area is because men are logical rational beings. It's why male cave men were the calculated hunters the survivors. Men by nature logically think our everything.
-How men think is just completely different. All the technology in the world came from men because they are natural thinkers. Men have a depth to thinking where as most women don't because cave women never needed to think. Most women never needed to evolve to be deep thinkers. Instead evolution designed women to manipulate to get what they want.

As I said before. reality is cold and harsh.

Men are not more logical. They're raised differently, and pressured all their lives to not show anything.

The patriarchy does not give non-cisgendered females an easier life. Girls have massive visions, and dreams too, being belittled, only makes them want to give up. That is half human potential for innovation, progress, and great things LOST.


You forgot the fact that men are allowed to have confidence, where women with confidence in fields, can be seen as wierd, fighty, or bitchy, (after their intelligence is questioned tons, who the fuck wouldnt get agitated). And the only reason women with confidence come off scary is because they make some men insecure.

Women who go through that habitually, being belittled, intimidatd, non-stop, get exhausted. People aren't all the same, they aren't robots stop generalizing them and lumping them in togther like some fucking homogenous zombies.

@ women who date feminist men are manipulators comment:
I REALLY fucking disagree that D:< WHAT the christ
I don't want to manipulate anyone i want to fall in love. I want to fall in love with someone that actually feels love and can empathize. The ability to be sympathetic to what i go through is really attractive to me. So is being really intelligent. To be honest i see someone sympathetic like that much more capable of emotions than someone who can't empathize. I see them as being more gentle. I'm not into macho men. I like sensitive guys.

Reality is what you make it, its evolved since time memorial, don't give us your bullshit about what people should "be" because it makes you more comfortable.

[kroniqua]

I'll try my best to help you people understand my point of view. I'm viewing this debate from an instinctual level which dictates you and I are the same on a primal level but not on an advance level.

-Women: Most of them go for tall, fit or bulkier guys with a masculine alpha male traits. This is science book facts.

-Men: Most like feminine, gentle, healthy women because we are more visual. This is science book fact so you ladies can not debate me on this.

-Women show much less sympathy towards male issues because women are NOT designed to give love.
-Men shaped the world, our love is infinite like gods love.
-Most women reported only finding 30% of males on earth attractive. This showed that almost all women are very picky and shallow because their mating instinct is shallow only wanting the best males.
-Men were reported to find 90% of women attractive because we are more open minded and creative in picking mates.

My study shows me that women are very shallow and can not feel love as men do. Women do not care if the unbalance the world out of selfish need for more power. Most women don't love males that aren't in the fem-sphere or up to their shallow mating standards.

BTW men, the ladies here do not love you for women can not love. They LIKE that you are a male feminist because they view you as a tool/object, but girls will turn their back on you very fast if you don't agree with their extremism. Think for a sec men, just what have you as a male gained from feminism? The law is always on females said, TV is feminized, dating is harder for beta and Omega males. On top of that when you show females weakness they remember it so they can attack you in the future. Science proved women can not love nor feel sympathy for men that aren't blood related.

Also feminism doesn't even teach men how to get girls in this new female dominate country. Being a male feminist only damages you because it teaches you to be the nice beta male who agrees with all female issues instead of challenging them. feminist males aren't taught to be the Alpha who gets the girls. No, you are the beta that is a slave to a controlling feminist wife who is fat because she thinks being healthy is-like-letting-the-males win. You feminist men are at home with the kids wondering why your sex drive is down because you only get it once every 5 months.

Feminism has to change NOW!

I wont even argue your first point. I've found that to be common amongst woman as well. However I defy male stereotypes of what men are attracted to and so I believe that women are capable of it. (indeed anyone who chooses to do some reflection and introspection can.) I honestly am attracted to women who are "feminine, gentle and healthy" women. I am also attracted to many other types. So call NASA cuz I'm breaking science. I will also admit that I sometimes think women do have less sympathy toward men but to say they are incapable of giving love or that all women are like that is ridiculous. The next four points are contrary to what you've said before. I thought you said men were cold and logical? I thought you said men were only attracted to fit, young, healthy women? As for your final points, I am aware of my status here as a bit of a pariah, but I stay here because I want to learn and do what I can. I don't much care if I'm accepted or not at least in relation to whether or not I will be an ally. I've been shown the kyriarchy/bullshit and decided it's unfair and I dont want it around anymore so I do stuff about it and learn more so I don't do stuff which supports it or otherwise makes things worse. I would say you in the past have only pursued girls who while maybe "attractive" as you explained before are also shallow and supportive of kyriarchical standards. I don't agree with everything that people say here. I have extensively debated various issue's here, some I've reconsidered my stance on others I have remained steadfast on. Alpha males get the shallow, non supportive, non interesting, yet attractive girls. If in order to get a wife I will need to be a sexist dick, then the nihilism will consume me and I'll go nut's but that's another issue. I'm pretty sure several of the women here have explained that they excersise regularly and yet HOLY SHIT their feminist's too! It's nut's man, like... bananas. Also I have seen many "fat" women who I think are stunners. (Side note I don't like saying "real women" when referring to plus size women. It implies they aren't as frikkin gorgeous as the more petite women.) Take a look at this http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw3ty ... o1_500.jpg I mean by khorne! frikkin sit there and tell me she's not beautiful!

Holy crap, im sorry I responded to this thread at all. I didn't realize what a joke the OP was.
Women not able to show love? Going to lmao out of this thread now.

[Tookie]

Yeah Imma lock this before anyone else makes the same mistake.