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Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby edit the sad parts » Mon Apr 30, 20:38 2012

I don't always agree with what he has to say, but ultimately, he is fighting the good fight. If only more people could get this idea into their heads:

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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby lizpoona » Mon Apr 30, 23:14 2012

Ugh, the fact that those people walked out just boils my blood. They're going to willingly remain ignorant about their own religion's book, as if refusing to listen to reason is going to ensure their chance at salvation. What a bunch of fuckers.


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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby Eravial » Tue May 1, 1:16 2012

Wow. That was badass.
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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby Amuro » Tue May 1, 12:13 2012

Don't really blame the people for walking out it's there right to walk out but he also left out how people did not want slaves to know about god. They did not want slaves to know about Moses because they might try and lead their people out of slavery to the promised land. Savage did kind of bully the people who walked out that's like someone going up to Savage who is white and blaming him for slavery. So your talking about bullying and you bully people who you have no idea if they bullied someone or not. Now also talked about how people are dying I hope he's not talking about suicide because they killed them selves in most cases someone can't bully someone else to death. In most cases those people had some other issues going on that also contributed to there depression and there early exit from life. I was bullied as kid and I was a small kid and I am a small adult. I beat the crap out of my bullies if they bigger were than me I'd pick up something and start swinging. I'm mostly just saying that you can't fight bullying with bullying and that's exactly what Savage did. He's the adult in this situation and he's bullying kids.
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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby edit the sad parts » Tue May 1, 13:42 2012

Amuro wrote:Don't really blame the people for walking out it's there right to walk out but he also left out how people did not want slaves to know about god. They did not want slaves to know about Moses because they might try and lead their people out of slavery to the promised land. Savage did kind of bully the people who walked out that's like someone going up to Savage who is white and blaming him for slavery. So your talking about bullying and you bully people who you have no idea if they bullied someone or not. Now also talked about how people are dying I hope he's not talking about suicide because they killed them selves in most cases someone can't bully someone else to death. In most cases those people had some other issues going on that also contributed to there depression and there early exit from life. I was bullied as kid and I was a small kid and I am a small adult. I beat the crap out of my bullies if they bigger were than me I'd pick up something and start swinging. I'm mostly just saying that you can't fight bullying with bullying and that's exactly what Savage did. He's the adult in this situation and he's bullying kids.


You sound a bit confused here.

Also, for the record, he has apologized for calling the students who walked out "pansy asses" and admits he should not have been so harsh.
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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby Aum » Tue May 1, 14:22 2012

I'm all in favour of combatting homophobia, but this is not the way to do it. You can critique the Bible - as many inside and outside of Christianity do - without calling its contents "bullshit". This is typical of Dan Savage. He always goes for the throat which is why I am not a fan of his politics. What works for his column does not work for this kind of activism. I can tell he has good intentions but he is a poor diplomat.

The most effective tool to change minds is to speak to hearts, and you do that on compassionate grounds. You can't just beat someone over the head with a particular view and expect them to listen, even if you ARE right. People who are on the defensive are not going to listen.

The kids could have been walking out for any reason. Maybe it was because he was using curse words in an assembly. I found his wording inflammatory and I'm not even Christian. All he did was reinforce the support he already has, and alienate the rest. Not very productive.
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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby great girl wonder » Tue May 1, 19:59 2012

I'm going to go with:
Chances are the kids walking out are Christians that have many times over condemned those around them for any number of things and used the Bible to do so. They probably have rarely had someone stand up to them and attack the source directly.

Often when people do stand up against Christian bullies it is simply for themselves and their personal choices and the freedom to make them. It is very rare to have someone directly attack the high horse that they are sitting on. I'm sure it made them very very uncomfortable. And if you are comfortable on your high horse you do need to be made uncomfortable.
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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby cwbyrvr » Wed May 2, 0:58 2012

I hate Dan Savage. So so much. Misogynistic, transphobic, biphobic, racist shit lord. I find I can't take much interest in anything he has to say.

Gonna go ahead and place a trigger warning here for anyone who may be affected by the above mentioned things.

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Re: Dan Savage on the Bible

Postby cob » Wed May 2, 7:44 2012

Seems like a pretty immature guy. I mean, he's entitled to whatever opinions he wants to hold, and I support him in his ability to state them and am glad he has the guts to do so. Especially when all of those people disagree with him, but he is saying that this is an injustice and that he has to stand up for it. That's great. But really, insults and insincere apologies? That's what children do. If he ever wants people to take him seriously, he needs to grow up.
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