Aum brings up an interesting point, the radfem movement seems to have a rather strict idea of womanhood for a group that also seems to be whole heartedly against the concept of gender. Not only in their exclusion of transwomen, they (or at least this same vocal minority) also look down upon any woman who wear make up, or dress in a certain way that them deem 'feminine'? Aparently claiming that since femininity is an invention of patriarchy, somehow everything they decide falls into that category is automatically some show of weakness? I don't really understand this at all.
Some come to be disappointed in women who take on the patriarchal performances of womanhood; when that turns judgmental against the women rather than the habits, it's often a case of believing that gender politics and gendered habits can be evaded, such that people are culpable for falling prey to them.
I just feel like peoples personal choicer aren't always 100% based on society- sometimes people just want to be themselves.
So where do they draw the line?
Everyone had their own personal tastes, and to pass judgement from a feminist perspective, on say, a persons clothing, isn't far off from a sexist doing the exact same thing- both seem to have this absolute obsession with strict gender stereotypes.
Also, worst of all, there's this outcry against some of my favorite things! Broad generalizations about how all porn, all fetishes, and most fun sexual acts, are, in some way sexist!
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Well, that sounds like a broad generalization itself.
Usually they have quite sophisticated and well-developed reasons for believing that, say, mainstream pornography tends to encourage the sexual subjugation of women,
or that dom/sub cultures often end up supporting the very gender binaries that they offer to redefine
You seem to be fond of this method of challenging someone's authority on something. Why do you assume that people who dislike mainstream porn have never seen any? And, okay, you say you've watched a lot of porn, but have you studied it or has it been fap material? Have you thought deeply about why some things are portrayed and the message that those things send? I've found that most porn is very phallocentric, that there are acts depicted which are presented as degrading to women where there is no male equivalent (talking about hetero porn), that a large subset of porn has these scenarios where someone is coaxed into having sex on camera despite their reluctance. While I appreciate that this last is merely acting, coaxing someone who doesn't want it into having sex is rape.Snarky wrote:Sonic# wrote:Usually they have quite sophisticated and well-developed reasons for believing that, say, mainstream pornography tends to encourage the sexual subjugation of women,
I've never watched a soccer game in my life- thus I cannot come up with any sophisticated well developed reasons to ban it.
But I kid!
Why do you assume that people who dislike mainstream porn have never seen any?
And, okay, you say you've watched a lot of porn, but have you studied it or has it been fap material?
that there are acts depicted which are presented as degrading to women where there is no male equivalent
a large subset of porn has these scenarios where someone is coaxed into having sex on camera despite their reluctance. While I appreciate that this last is merely acting, coaxing someone who doesn't want it into having sex is rape.
Also, Snarky, I'm sure you're aware that "But I like porn" isn't a good argument as to why porn isn't misogynist or problematic, and "If you ban porn you take away my hobby" isn't a good reason as to why porn shouldn't be banned. There are better reasons out there which I'd love to see you argue, but these two arguments aren't worth anything.
While I personally find it repulsive, I know that there are a good number of men and women both who enjoy the rape fantasy or fancy the idea of "seduction". So it is still difficult for me to completely condemn outright
Snarky wrote:lillerina wrote: that there are acts depicted which are presented as degrading to women where there is no male equivalent
I agree with Anna, if you look around- you can find ANYTHING you would see a woman doing being done by a man. There's just less of it because of this gender imbalance in the industry.
Whats the cliche notion that we all say when talking about homosexuality? What other people do in their bedrooms is none of our business? I don't even see an argument here! If a woman wants to be bound and gagged and called depraved things- while in a consensual adult relationship, it's nobodies goddamn business to say they are somehow supporting patriarchy. Plenty of people got kinks and weird fetishes, and stuff they keep in the darkest corners of their mind! Nothing to shame people over!
edit the sad parts wrote:Totes agree with Sonic's post. Also, it is AMA, kay, not Anna.
Yes, thank you for that edit! I believe he made that mistake elsewhere before as well, and I'll admit it does actually bother me a fair bit, probably more than it should :/
I don't feel porn is that deeply ingrained in misogyny, that sort of sorts like a hipster-y abstract complaint that, even were it true, is not even close to the big important issues already brought up.
Laura Mulvey, 'Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema' (1975) wrote: [My analysis of cinema] takes as its starting-point the way film reflects, reveals, and even plays on the straight, socially established interpretation of sexual difference which controls images, erotic ways of looking and spectacle ... Psychoanalytic theory is thus appropriated here as a political weapon, demonstrating the way the unconscious of patriarchal society has structured film form.
I'm guessing anyone with a camera on a porn set is simply trying to get the best shot possible, with most nasty-part visibility and so on.
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