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Postby Aum » Tue Sep 7, 21:28 2010

I saw my first UFO this weekend, and I would consider myself to be a skeptic. So, I want to tell my story and hopefully there is someone on here with physics knowledge or knowledge of aerospace engineering that can tell me what happened.

I went camping this weekend 5 hours away from Vancouver to a fairly remote area. There were established campgrounds but the area was isolated: no electricity, water, etc. (I had an awesome weekend by the way.) The area was a series of lake systems surrounded by glacial mountains. I went with a group of 8 people.

We were sitting around our camp fire when two locals who do grounds maintenance came by. We had met them a day earlier on the way in and they were super informative about the area and friendly. The night of the camp fire, they both told us that they didn't want to be alone that night so we naturally asked why. The woman then told us she felt crazy for wanting to share a story but she had to tell someone.

She was near the lake/river junction where people go salmon fishing, but late at night. She was making sure the dock was secure and was hauling in some canoes that people had left in the water (which they ask you not to do there). In the mountain straight ahead of there, she said she saw a bright light hovering above it and assumed it was an airplane until it started to behave very unusually. She said they moved extremely fast and sharply in different directions with ease, that they changed colours from bright blue to red. Then she said there were a bunch of little lights that came out of it and started to circle around it at close proximity before it started to move closer. It was at that point that she totally freaked out and ran back to camp because she was afraid it was coming for her. She said in her 4 years of tending the grounds she had never seen anything like it.

So we were all like... ok, it could have been anything, a helicopter, some kind of military craft doing drills at night, or whatever. Also, maybe she thought she saw something that didn't really happen. The mind plays tricks. It was my idea to have her take us out to the same spot, so all 8 of us went, plus the 2 locals, and we brought our three dogs with us.

We went to the river clearing where the mountain was visible. It was freezing and the sky was perfectly clear. (P.S. The star field was amazing.) We were all looking around for this light and kept imagining we were seeing it, but we weren't. Then finally someone spotted something. It was a red star but it was swiveling bath and forth ever so slightly. It was so slight that you would think it was just due to your body swaying slightly.

Its swaying back and forth looked like a hockey puck being shuffled back and forth with a hockey stick, but much smoother. Then, it went from centre field of vision all the way to left field of the sky to another nearby mountain. The way it moved was so bizarre. I was really analyzing it without trying to get swept up emotionally. The thing that was strange about it was that there was no acceleration time. It went from hovering on the spot, to high speed in less than a second. It also made no noise whatsoever even though it was above the mountain in front of us. It was a bright blue halo. Then it did a couple of 90 degree movements, making a square. The smoothness and speed of the motion was unfathomable. We were seriously so dismayed that we questioned the two locals to ask them if this was some kind of trick that gets played on campers. They promised us no. The guy had a ipod stereo with him and he was so freaked out by what he was seeing that he turned on his music and sort of walked off. The other thing that was creeping us out was that the dogs were growling and according to the owners they never really do that, and we encountered some wild animals on the weekend that they didn't even react to.

The light in the sky then started to do circles like from the night before, again with perfect smoothness and no acceleration. It then divided into two, and the second light was a red one. They both returned to hovering back and forth like a puck, but one was hovering in the right field of vision, the other all the way over to the left. They way they were moving reminded me of how a flashlight would look if you shone it on a wall and then swayed it back and forth. It seemed so perfect that it could almost be a projection from the ground level, but the thing is that we could see the 3rd dimension at work as the lights hovered over trees and slightly down the mountainside. It was so bizarre.

After about 20 minutes of this, they sat perfectly still. We don't know what happened next because some low lying clouds moved in, but once the clouds passed they were still hovering perfectly still. Then, to our amazement, they took off vertically so incredibly fast, like shooting-star fast, and went straight up into the sky. Then they blipped out.

We all just looked at each other like... uh... WTF.

Can someone please tell me WTF can do that? I really want to hear a logical explanation because I don't have one at all. We were out in the middle of nowhere. There weren't even plane routes or anything. We didn't even see EMT helicopters the whole time. The sky was clear. You could even see satellites in orbit, but this event was definitely not in orbit.

I want some ideas. Please share!
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Re: UFO!

Postby helium » Tue Sep 7, 21:38 2010

That is crazy, I have no idea other than maybe some military thing since it was in the same place do you know of any military bases nearby where you saw it? I don't know if there's any planes or helicopters can do that sort of thing.
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Re: UFO!

Postby Aum » Tue Sep 7, 23:02 2010

There are no military bases nearby... no declared ones anyway. I checked.
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Re: UFO!

Postby Bork » Wed Sep 8, 10:03 2010

Did anyone get pictures?
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Re: UFO!

Postby Aum » Wed Sep 8, 13:00 2010

Unfortunately, no :(
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Re: UFO!

Postby monk » Wed Sep 8, 20:34 2010

Xinzang wrote:After about 20 minutes of this, they sat perfectly still. We don't know what happened next because some low lying clouds moved in, but once the clouds passed they were still hovering perfectly still.

Laser pointers on low lying fog
Xinzang wrote:We were seriously so dismayed that we questioned the two locals to ask them if this was some kind of trick that gets played on campers. They promised us no. The guy had a ipod stereo with him and he was so freaked out by what he was seeing that he turned on his music and sort of walked off. The other thing that was creeping us out was that the dogs were growling and according to the owners they never really do that, and we encountered some wild animals on the weekend that they didn't even react to.

first, I have see strange lights in the sky before too. UFO, is the term, key letter being the U. Unidentified is just that.

second, I bolded what your locals did. if it was some kind of trick they played on campers would their answer have been any different?

third, When magicians pull people out of the audience to help them, they are not strangers. When you see magicians on TV make buildings/large animals/vehicles/big shit disappear in big open areas in front of audiences, the whole audience is in on it not knowing how the trick was done does not make it actual magic.

what I'm saying is, is it more likely someone with some laser pointers was having fun or extra terrestrials were cruising around your lake?
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Re: UFO!

Postby Aum » Wed Sep 8, 22:28 2010

I get what you're saying monk and these are things I considered, but there is no way that these could have been laser pointers. First of all, aside from the point when the clouds rolled in, there was no obstruction in the sky, and no fog. Second, the lights moved along the top of the tree line, not on the trees. They were suspended above them and moved in three dimensions.

And third, these were bright... like really bright. Behind us was the planet Venus which was the brightest object in the sky, and these were significantly brighter than that. They were at least as bright as the spotlight on a helicopter, but again, they made no noise.

I have gone over it again and again in my mind and I cannot think of a logical explanation. Yes, it's true, I cannot say they are aliens, they remain unidentified. But I'm telling you, these were no lasers, and I have a pretty deductive mind about things.
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Re: UFO!

Postby monk » Thu Sep 9, 4:15 2010

okay, not laser pointers.

much like crop circles (which have been fucking with people for years now) there are ways to do things that are weird, that screw with the senses, and that are very much not common knowledge. Take my magician example, have you ever seen a close up magician? One that does card tricks 2 feet from your face? It is amazingly freaky. While your analytical mind says "this is just a trick" your visual mind is telling you that some crazy physically impossible shit is happening, and if you were from a primitive society that didn't know magicians from anything else then what they do would overwhelm your sense of what is real or not.

I don't know if what you saw was really an astrophysical "event" or not, neither do you obviously, I'm just saying that the odds are more in favor of someone pulling your chain than being witness to a Steven Spielberg moment.

but here's some video of shit seen over lakes for you to ponder and maybe it is aliens who really just love those US/Canadian waters.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/70DAA1A7 ... ver-l.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04vgPa6bS2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf06bgEn ... re=related
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Re: UFO!

Postby Kirby » Thu Sep 9, 8:26 2010

You clearly haven't brushed up on your x-files lately, have you? It's clearly the US government doing air tests on their freaky new technology. To screw with Mulder. To make him smokey-man's bitch.
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Re: UFO!

Postby Aum » Thu Sep 9, 9:17 2010

monk wrote:okay, not laser pointers.

much like crop circles (which have been fucking with people for years now) there are ways to do things that are weird, that screw with the senses, and that are very much not common knowledge. Take my magician example, have you ever seen a close up magician? One that does card tricks 2 feet from your face? It is amazingly freaky. While your analytical mind says "this is just a trick" your visual mind is telling you that some crazy physically impossible shit is happening, and if you were from a primitive society that didn't know magicians from anything else then what they do would overwhelm your sense of what is real or not.

I don't know if what you saw was really an astrophysical "event" or not, neither do you obviously, I'm just saying that the odds are more in favor of someone pulling your chain than being witness to a Steven Spielberg moment.

but here's some video of shit seen over lakes for you to ponder and maybe it is aliens who really just love those US/Canadian waters.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/70DAA1A7 ... ver-l.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04vgPa6bS2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf06bgEn ... re=related


First of all, I'm not saying it's aliens, I am saying it's unidentified and I want to know what it is. Second, if you are so convinced it was some big magic trick, then can you please explain to me the way the trick works? None of those youtube videos are what I saw.

I am simply asking for an explanation of what can move that way.
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Re: UFO!

Postby rowan » Thu Sep 9, 9:40 2010

Unfortunately without better information, I really can't help out. By your description, it wasn't astronomical. I don't even have a sense of what direction "north" is or how big the mountains are. In addition even though you perceived them to be "right next to" the mountain, in the dark it's really very hard to tell distances. My guess would be some aircraft doing maneuvers, even though you say there's no base nearby. Were you close enough to the ocean that it might have been from an aircraft carrier?
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Re: UFO!

Postby monk » Thu Sep 9, 10:12 2010

Xinzang wrote: Second, if you are so convinced it was some big magic trick, then can you please explain to me the way the trick works?


magicians are famous for not telling how their tricks work, that's why they're called magicians.


look at this video

a bunch of amateurs doing tricks, I would bet a professional could do even better tricks at night with lights mounted on it. Ignore the engine noise, they have battery powered engines now that are whisper quiet.

am I saying it was RC planes? no, I'm not. I wasn't there. All I'm saying is that it if the movements were deliberate and you had a real sense the movements had intelligent control that the intelligent control was human intelligence.


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Re: UFO!

Postby rowan » Thu Sep 9, 10:20 2010

Oh, it totally could have been a toy airplane with a light on it. Didn't even think of that. I'll add that to my list of possibilities, when I'm using this as an exercise for my students (which I actually have done for a number of years).
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Re: UFO!

Postby Neko » Thu Sep 9, 13:11 2010

I'm also getting that overwhelming sense that they lured you into some sort of trick. Unless if UFOs use the campsite for their sky-BMX practice grounds.

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Re: UFO!

Postby edit the sad parts » Mon Sep 13, 12:44 2010

My only explanation would be military drills. The technology that is known to us, is apparently about 50 years behind what the military has access to, so...shrug.

I had a similar experience once. It creeped me out.
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