For the record, here's the exact quote from Penny...
"Alright, Howard Wolowitz, listen up. You sign anything she puts in front of you because you are the luckiest man alive. If you let her go, there is no way you can ever find someone else. Speaking on behalf of all women, it is not going to happen; we had a meeting."
Ouch. I don't see how anyone could think that was anything close to okay.
spacefem wrote:agree, kelsa.
but anyway, I don't think howard was browbeaten at all. in fact he never even stated a logical reason why the prenup was bothering him, it wasn't like they wore him down, penny just presented the FIRST argument and it was on the side of "why he should sign it". if anything howard was insecure about the fact that his fiance made more money than him, and that's what the holdup really was.
As I said, Howard's reasons being good or bad are immaterial. Two wrongs a right don't make. Penny basically said "you're worthless as a human being, your only worth comes from Bernadette's affection toward you, so you should obey her without question." To me, that's not okay.
spacefem wrote:which brings another fact to mind... what if the roles were reversed here? guys are forever getting high fives for protecting themselves against money-grubbing bitches when they bring out the prenup agreements. but when a woman does it, she gets the "what makes you think you're so important?". you can can fist-pump to kanye helling "holla we want prenup!" as long as he's talking about men holding onto their money. I guess women just aren't supposed to hold on to their money, or more likely, have it in the first place. I smell even more bullshit around this issue now than when I started this thread.
Bullshit? Really? Hmm. Maybe my nose is off. I only smell disagreement and fandom. Hope I'm not catching a cold.
Anyway, again, two wrongs. Just because there's a lot of men who feel women are golddiggers, and use "pre-nup" as a misogynist battle cry, that makes it okay for Penny to demean Howard and question his worth?
What if the roles in BBT were gender-reversed? That's the issue we're talking about, not "guys all the times be getting high-fives for being misogynists." What if there was a relationship between a sexy, wealthy man and a frumpy, socially-awkward woman? The man asks the woman for a pre-nup, and she's reluctant. After a day or so of wishy-washing, another man comes up to the woman and tells her she's the luckiest bitch in the world to have a man like that and she's going to sign anything he wants her to because no man like that will ever, ever give her the time of day again ("we had a meeting"). The interwubs would explode
What Penny said was definitely not okay. The issue of whether Howard should've readily signed the prenup is a completely separate issue.
Also, maybe this is just a sensitive issue for you, I don't know, and again, I didn't participate in the original topic so maybe there's some bitter feelings from that spilling over, but so far in this topic, nobody's talking about the worth or validity of prenuptual agreements unto themselves. Speaking for myself, at least, I have no opinion one way or the other. I personally am only debating the narrow issue of "what do you think about this thing on BBT?"
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