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Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby Bork » Thu Apr 19, 14:46 2012

I was talking to my brother yesterday, and he mentioned that Phyllis Schlafly had spoken at his school earlier. I hadn't heard of her before, but the idea of an anti-feminist, particularly one that holds regular speaking engagements instead of staying in the home, fascinated me. So, I Wikipedia'd her:

She makes me very angry. I can't stand people who are publicly hypocrites, and this is exactly what it seems like she is. She either doesn't seem to realize, or doesn't care, that the only reason she's able to be an antifeminist and say all the bullshit things that she does, is because feminists paved the way first. During the Depression, her father couldn't find work - so her mother was the breadwinner for the family. Schlafly was able to go to college, going so far as to earn her JD. Briefly, in WWII, she apparently worked as a ballistics gunner and technician at an ammunition plant. She also worked in research, with a political campaign, and even ran for Congress. None of that would have been possible without a feminist movement, so I guess she's okay with a feminist movement that allows her to achieve her goals, but not one that progresses us any further than that.

Her views totally blow my mind. She opposed the Equal Rights Amendment on the basis that it would erase the gender-specific privileges enjoyed by women. She thinks that a woman's place in the marriage is subservient to both God and men, and that the only way a happy marriage can be sustained is if the woman is willing to give the man whatever his manhood craves. The woman's role in a marriage is to support her husband through altruism and self-sacrifice, I'm assuming regardless of what the man is demanding and what the women really wants to do in life. Women, according to Schlafly, have active needs, and they need to love. A man's needs, on the other hand, are passive, and he needs to be loved, to be appreciated, etc. If that wasn't messed up enough, she also believes that once a woman marries a man, she consents to sex, and therefore spousal rape is a non-issue. Because every time the man wants sex, the woman has to put out - she's already given her eternal consent by marrying the guy.

She seems so backwards, outdated and selfish. She reminds me a lot of a whiny, over-privileged teenager, and it kind of seems as though she realize (or maybe she just doesn't care to recognize) that the only reason she's able to fight for her cause is because an earlier generation of women rebuked their gender roles - the gender roles that Schlafly thinks women should remain in - and fought for their rights. As a woman, I can't understand why another woman would want to restrict women's rights. I don't understand how she thinks that a woman's role in life is to be subservient and devote their entire life to making their husband happy. If you have a chance, check our her quotes regarding social issues, her take on the feminist stance on the social issues, and then her take on the social issues. They're kind of funny, until you realize that she's a) serious and b) voicing these opinions now, not 200 years ago.

My brother was part of a group protesting her speaking at the campus - apparently when she saw the protestors, she just smirked at them. He said that it was funny protesting against her, because she seems like such a harmless little old lady.

Another reason I'm not a fan: Her last name is ridiculous to spell, and I'm sure I misspelled it a few times here.
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby Storage and Disposal » Thu Apr 19, 15:09 2012

When reading this, I was thinking, "What is she, like 100 years old?" then I clicked on the link to her wikipedia page. haha!
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby lillerina » Thu Apr 19, 15:24 2012

You've read the Handmaid's Tale? She is Serena Joy.
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby sagermo » Thu Apr 19, 21:41 2012

Ugh, Phyllis Schlafly is evil incarnate. Fun fact: her son founded the website conservapedia.com to fight the liberal bias of a public encyclopedia anyone can edit?
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby monk » Thu Apr 19, 22:03 2012

I don't agree with her philosophy but I get it. if you're not too bright and would like your life's path for the most part laid out for you in advance. You're from a comfortable if not rich economic class that keeps you from struggling just to survive and all the sacrifices you're being asked to make are not taking away privileges you're using but simply not taking advantage of some of our modern day practices & technology, I can very easily see someone living out a very comfortable somewhat happy life as long as the person they're mated to is kind, generous & not an asshat. Isn't part of Feminism the right to choose even a stupid unenlightened path?
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby Bork » Thu Apr 19, 23:05 2012

monk wrote:Isn't part of Feminism the right to choose even a stupid unenlightened path?



It totally is, and I don't have a problem with women wanting to be stay at home moms or wanting to make their husbands happy - but it's not the path for everyone, and it's not something you should force people into. I don't have a problem with her if she wants to dedicate her life to raising babies and making her husband happy, but that's not a life for everyone, and I think it's ridiculous that she thinks all women should have that lifestyle.
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby Aum » Fri Apr 20, 1:02 2012

She's from an era when even feminism was conservative compared to today's standards. I'm not really worried about how this woman exercises her speech. The kinds of un-PC things she says combined with her blatant conservative nature will not go over well with most Americans. So really, the only people she can preach to are the choir. Young, modern conservatives who are rallying against feminism are much more clever (but no less insidious) with their attempts to subvert the movement. Mrs. Schlafly likes to beat people over the head with her opinion, without any subtlety. To me, this makes her a lot less dangerous.
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby propatriachy » Sun May 27, 17:45 2012

Bork wrote:I was talking to my brother yesterday, and he mentioned that Phyllis Schlafly had spoken at his school earlier. I hadn't heard of her before, but the idea of an anti-feminist, particularly one that holds regular speaking engagements instead of staying in the home, fascinated me. So, I Wikipedia'd her:

She makes me very angry. I can't stand people who are publicly hypocrites, and this is exactly what it seems like she is. She either doesn't seem to realize, or doesn't care, that the only reason she's able to be an antifeminist and say all the bullshit things that she does, is because feminists paved the way first. During the Depression, her father couldn't find work - so her mother was the breadwinner for the family. Schlafly was able to go to college, going so far as to earn her JD. Briefly, in WWII, she apparently worked as a ballistics gunner and technician at an ammunition plant. She also worked in research, with a political campaign, and even ran for Congress. None of that would have been possible without a feminist movement, so I guess she's okay with a feminist movement that allows her to achieve her goals, but not one that progresses us any further than that.

Her views totally blow my mind. She opposed the Equal Rights Amendment on the basis that it would erase the gender-specific privileges enjoyed by women. She thinks that a woman's place in the marriage is subservient to both God and men, and that the only way a happy marriage can be sustained is if the woman is willing to give the man whatever his manhood craves. The woman's role in a marriage is to support her husband through altruism and self-sacrifice, I'm assuming regardless of what the man is demanding and what the women really wants to do in life. Women, according to Schlafly, have active needs, and they need to love. A man's needs, on the other hand, are passive, and he needs to be loved, to be appreciated, etc. If that wasn't messed up enough, she also believes that once a woman marries a man, she consents to sex, and therefore spousal rape is a non-issue. Because every time the man wants sex, the woman has to put out - she's already given her eternal consent by marrying the guy.

She seems so backwards, outdated and selfish. She reminds me a lot of a whiny, over-privileged teenager, and it kind of seems as though she realize (or maybe she just doesn't care to recognize) that the only reason she's able to fight for her cause is because an earlier generation of women rebuked their gender roles - the gender roles that Schlafly thinks women should remain in - and fought for their rights. As a woman, I can't understand why another woman would want to restrict women's rights. I don't understand how she thinks that a woman's role in life is to be subservient and devote their entire life to making their husband happy. If you have a chance, check our her quotes regarding social issues, her take on the feminist stance on the social issues, and then her take on the social issues. They're kind of funny, until you realize that she's a) serious and b) voicing these opinions now, not 200 years ago.

My brother was part of a group protesting her speaking at the campus - apparently when she saw the protestors, she just smirked at them. He said that it was funny protesting against her, because she seems like such a harmless little old lady.

Another reason I'm not a fan: Her last name is ridiculous to spell, and I'm sure I misspelled it a few times here.



If you love a man why would you not want to do at for him? The more you treat him that way the more he will love and better husband he will be for you, what she's saying is just common sense, it was wrong of your brother to try and surpress her views.
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby edit the sad parts » Sun May 27, 18:16 2012

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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby Ama » Sun May 27, 18:37 2012

Let me know when you come home exhausted from a long day at work, sit down to relax and watch sports or something on TV, and then a male friend comes over, and you drop what you're doing right then and there at his request to have sex with him because it would enrich your friendship and tighten the bond between you and then we'll talk. Bonus points if afterwards he falls asleep and you're expected to perform some form of menial labor for him with no tangible benefit to yourself.
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Re: Phyllis Schlafly, Anti-Feminist

Postby propatriachy » Sun May 27, 18:57 2012

Ama wrote:Let me know when you come home exhausted from a long day at work, sit down to relax and watch sports or something on TV, and then a male friend comes over, and you drop what you're doing right then and there at his request to have sex with him because it would enrich your friendship and tighten the bond between you and then we'll talk. Bonus points if afterwards he falls asleep and you're expected to perform some form of menial labor for him with no tangible benefit to yourself.



If he was my friend I would give him everything a person needs from a good friendship, I've never had a friendship that involves sex or menial labour though.

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