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by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 25, 21:18 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

The further conversation is at what point is a no a no. Should women be responsible for vocally, repeatedly, and firmly telling guys she isn't having a good time? Should both partners be responsible for paying attention to their counter part and back off when enthusiasm is less than apparent? @Enig...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 25, 18:46 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

^ This thread isn't about rape. Don't know what else to say; you haven't gotten that point in a few exchanges. Again: [your post] fails to address the unequal circumstances around bad sex and why women have worse consensual sex. My post didn't need to address this. This is an artificial goal post t...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 25, 18:45 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

Plotthickens, I ask that you stop trying trying to insult my posts and my character on this forum. Considering what you think is insulting and your ability to take everything personally... Hm. It's good to want. Builds character. :thumbsup: #notallmen Dudebroboi, you're showing your hand. I will al...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 25, 9:39 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

This is crucial when it comes to deciding whether the case is a rape/assault, or not. And that's (a) more than just bad sex and (b) not a good rule in the case you're talking about, since it fails to account for negligence (ignorance is not an excuse for many crimes). To the point here, it fails to...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 25, 0:23 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

DA, you continue to ask impertinent questions by focusing on legality or blame rather than focusing on experience. You want a space where "men" (really any partner) can have a gray area to be negligent of their partners' experiences. No. First, negligence is often blameworthy in itself. One needs t...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sat Feb 24, 19:02 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

Plotthickens wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 9:02 2018
DevilsAdvocate123 wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 23:08 2018
Are all men guilty of forcing women to do sex acts? No.
#notallmen

Dudebroboi, you're showing your hand.
I will also repeat what I asked of you earlier:

Do you disagree with the statement that you quoted of me?

You don't know what my gender/sex is by the way.
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sat Feb 24, 19:02 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

And the golden question: If the "stop" message is sent, but he continues, do we know if he truthfully didn't receive the message that he should stop? This is where the gray area lies. This is a question that should be evaluated per individual case. This is bullshit and you can take this stupid Bumb...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sat Feb 24, 13:40 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

I'm sorry, but for the sake of civil debate, it is absolutely necessary that I ask for this to be a civil discussion that isn't insulting, nor about anybody's character. How do you handle the fact that you basically call pro-choice, killing babies... but take offence of "attacks on character"? I do...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sat Feb 24, 13:34 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

The only relevant details that are important are the exchange of ideas that are in regards to the topic. Untrue and sophomoric . I could proffer the idea that all earthworms are purple, but that's both irrelevant and wrong. To be valid, ideas must be relevant, true, and logical. Please understand t...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sat Feb 24, 11:29 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Devil's Advocate, stop trying to moderate (or "mediate") this thread. You are not a moderator. Your efforts come across as tone policing. And Plotthickens, please don't use your examples of personal attacks in such an applicable way. I'm sorry, but for the sake of civil debate, it is absolutely nec...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Fri Feb 23, 22:51 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

It's worse to decide there are cases where bodily autonomy doesn't matter. The idea that we should disregard the woman's body and her rights to it is naive. ETA: I can and will disregard the life of the unborn child, the same way I disregard the lives of those needing easily attainable organ transp...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Fri Feb 23, 22:36 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Let me put it this way. I don't care if you don't equate forced pregnancy with forced organ donation. The fact remains bodily autonomy let's me do what I want with my organs. If I don't want to host life in my body (and to be clear pregnancy doesn't just effect the uterus, it fucks up your whole bo...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Fri Feb 23, 19:49 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

Did you read the original article? The issue isn't the black and white you're presenting. It's about how women are socialized to deal with more pain and discomfort and think of it as normal and fine. At the base Men think bad sex is unfulfilling, Women think bad sex is traumatizing and/or painful. ...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Fri Feb 23, 19:24 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

Plotthickens wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 9:02 2018
DevilsAdvocate123 wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 23:08 2018
Are all men guilty of forcing women to do sex acts? No.
#notallmen

Dudebroboi, you're showing your hand.
Do you disagree with that statement?

You don't know what my gender/sex is by the way.
by DevilsAdvocate123
Fri Feb 23, 19:20 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Again, I ask that this not be a conversation about anybody's characters. I'm not offended. I'm simply saying that nobody cares about my character. Nobody cares about your character. All that's important here are the ideas that we are all discussing. Please do not make this a conversation about anyb...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Thu Feb 22, 23:08 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: The female price of male pleasure
Replies: 69
Views: 10087

Re: The female price of male pleasure

I'm going to provide a silver lining to this discussion. If you disagree with anything, let me know. Is pain ever involved in sex acts? Yes. s it okay for one to experience pain during sex? If it is consensual, yes. Should anybody force another human being to do certain acts of sex? No. Should men d...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Wed Feb 21, 18:57 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Again, I ask that users here stop attempting to throw character insults. Please continue the flow of debate here. I simply quoted your post as an example of how we should not engage each other, and I continued the flow of debate with my next post. There have been no character insults yet in this th...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 18, 14:28 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Hey everyone -I am going to play mediator here for a bit and ask that people stop making this a conversation about each others' characters. So you're OK with mandatory organ harvesting? China has it. Get arrested, go to jail... come out minus a kidney, a liver lobe, a good stretch of skin, and your...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 18, 14:10 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

This why I care so much about language... You keep calling it a baby... it is not a baby... At least the implication of my word "creature" means that it does not have a soul... I think this is the reason why it impacted so much in some members of this forum... But on the same hand, the christian ar...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 18, 13:45 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

I believe in the right of bodily autonomy is a basic right that shouldn't be compromised, least of all by a government. You might think abortion has to do with a baby and not the woman, but what someone does with their uterus is completely their decision. Pro-lifers are concerned about the baby. Th...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Sun Feb 18, 13:21 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Hey everyone -I am going to play mediator here for a bit and ask that people stop making this a conversation about each others' characters. The objective of this thread is to discuss whether or not pro-lifers can be feminists. Please do not insult anybody's character or try to make it out that they ...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Thu Feb 8, 21:42 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Taurwen wrote:
Thu Feb 8, 21:36 2018
Bodily Autonomy (which I realize you touched on and dismissed for reasons you did not express in any convincing way). I don't think less of someone as a feminist if they are Pro-Life, I think less of them as a person.

Could you elaborate?
by DevilsAdvocate123
Thu Feb 8, 21:42 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists? So far we have the following: "no." and we have a " I don't think less of someone as a feminist if they are Pro-Life, I think less of them as a person." Does this mean that "believing in the equality of men and women" isn't what it takes for somebody to be a feminist? I...
by DevilsAdvocate123
Thu Feb 8, 21:25 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Re: Abortion

geldofc wrote:
Thu Feb 8, 21:23 2018
no.
Why not?


People say that to be a feminist, "all you have to do is believe in the equality of men and women". Signing up for that doesn't mean you sign up for being pro-choice. Could you elaborate?
by DevilsAdvocate123
Thu Feb 8, 21:21 2018
Forum: Feminism
Topic: Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?
Replies: 43
Views: 5908

Can Pro-Lifers Be Feminists?

Hi everybody, I wanted to ask if you can be a feminist and be pro-life at the same time. Personally, I'm pro-choice, but I've seen some really bad arguments for being pro-choice. Let me elaborate on the worst arguments I've heard for being pro-choice: 1) "What if the mother can't to take care of the...