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Milo Manara's controversial new Spider Woman drawing.

Post by Pikachu » Mon Feb 25, 21:14 2019

NSFW

https://i.imgur.com/5Fy6hED.jpg

That's so preposterous. This is at an anti censorship panel, implying they expect to put THAT into mainstream comics. She's illustrated as "presenting" to Frank Cho. So an old man drew a female superhero in a composition where a middle aged man can imagine himself having doggy style sex with her. At a panel protesting censorship of their art. As you can imagine, there are feminists who are not too pleased about it. And rightly so, really. This is embarrassing, and that's coming from someone who thinks SJW's ruined She Ra and Lara Croft.

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Post by geldofc » Tue Feb 26, 21:26 2019

Pretty repulsive.
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Post by Neko » Wed Feb 27, 15:19 2019

Milo Manara's work, at least anything featuring a woman, is erotic whether or not it's used in erotica. It's not his first Spider Woman art controversy, either. So this doesn't surprise me whatsoever. I actually own an erotic tarot deck of his work because it's so outrageously silly.

I'm fine with smut--in fact, I draw my own. If there was some special edition for sale with this art on it, wrapped, and available only to adults, cool, whatever. But mainstream? Mass produced as the primary cover art for distribution to the general public? No.
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Re: Milo Manara's controversial new Spider Woman drawing.

Post by melsbells » Thu Feb 28, 12:31 2019

Having publishing standards isn't the same thing as censorship, and I feel like that is lost on many people. For example, I recently read a book that I would nominate for burning if I thought censorship was acceptable and that book burning was an effective method. I don't want people to read it. A lot of the history that was supporting the main argument was outright false. It was repulsive in a different way, and even if there were some interesting ideas about how violence and power interact, the argument was so flawed and that interesting idea so underdeveloped that what I actually hope is that it doesn't get another printing. I wouldn't go so far as to say that image shouldn't be printed under any circumstances, but people not liking it and not liking that there's a community such an image could be marketed to in the mainstream, doesn't mean they're calling for censorship, just publishing standards. Ultimately, I agree with Neko.

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Re: Milo Manara's controversial new Spider Woman drawing.

Post by Sonic# » Fri Mar 1, 7:39 2019

Yeah, it's not the art in itself that troubles me, but the context of a panel on mainstream comics. (Well, okay, I find the image itself bad too, but there's a lot of bad objectifying "art" out there.) I'm not surprised: Milo Manara *has* published artwork almost as explicit. Here's an effective juxtaposition of the variant cover of Spiderwoman #1 (drawn by Manara) with other artwork by Manara.

ETA: NSFW!

That said, why is this coming up again now? I ask because I've seen this recur in the past month, and the event in question was over 2 years ago. For instance, here's an article referring to the event and a video showing the panel:

https://www.themarysue.com/milo-manara- ... o-stop-it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/com ... freakmark/

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Post by Pikachu » Wed Mar 13, 21:52 2019

I think there's a kernel of truth in what they're saying. Anita Sarkeesian started a freight train of sex negativity in comics, video games and animation that made even this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gDHCrXScvsY/T ... She-Ra.jpg "problematic" and "unacceptable".

But by occuping the extreme end of the opposite position and advocating for the wild west of no scrutiny regardless of how sexually graphic, if anything justifies the current zero tolerance climate. The idea that if you give these guys an inch they'll take a country mile and try to get all kinds of porn past the editors.

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