How do inductions bias the due date statistics?

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I wanted to make this simple data table after many visitors posed this question: We know that many women are induced for to avoid going postdate, doesn't this bias our data? After all, most of the graphs I have just throw out inductions and show data based on only spontaneous labor. But what if ALL those women who were induced were actually supposed to go late, how long would the real average pregnancy last? Most of the people asking this question believe in their hearts that the average baby wants to arrive closer to 41 weeks or later, and the medical field is in denial and wants to induce us for convenience. I do not believe this, but wanted a quick way to explain myself, so here's this page.

The problem with the "we're all meant to go 41 weeks" theory is that so many women spontaneously go into labor in the days leading up to 40 W, there aren't enough inductions (even in our induction-happy world) being done to offset the average. Here are the median days for the spontaneous labors (11373 total), and the shifted median if every induction (3536 total) was actually supposed to be a very late birth:

Day Spontaneous births on this day Spontaneous births on or before this day Spontaneous births after this day Spontaneous births after this day
plus all inductions
Notes?
Before 39 W 2685 8688 12224
39W,0D 348 3033 8340 11876
39W,1D 315 3348 8025 11561
39W,2D 330 3678 7695 11231
39W,3D 421 4099 7274 10810
39W,4D 440 4539 6834 10370
39W,5D 441 4980 6393 9929
39W,6D 505 5485 5888 9424
40W,0D 964 6449 4924 8460 Median for spontaneous births in the survey (more babies were born on or before this day than are born after)
40W,1D 576 7025 4348 7884
40W,2D 499 7524 3849 7385 Median if all inductions are added to the "later birth" total (more babies were spontaneously born on or before this day than all the ones born after, or induced)
40W,3D 461 7985 3388 6924
40W,4D 426 8411 2962 6498
40W,5D 465 8876 2497 6033
40W,6D 458 9334 2039 5575
41W,0D 456 9790 1583 5119
41W,1D 352 10142 1231 4767
41W,2D 277 10419 954 4490
41W,3D 270 10689 684 4220
41W,4D 189 10878 495 4031
41W,5D 142 11020 353 3889
41W,6D 121 11141 232 3768
42W,0D 88 11229 144 3680

So basically, if all the induced women who took my survey had been left to stay pregnant until the very end (past 42 weeks), then the median day for birth would shift by 2 days. Not an entire week.

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gender recognition.">



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What he decides to do with that boyhood or how he dresses is up to him. But if you're born with a penis you're a boy.



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This is just my anecdotal experience but...



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